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Well, I always think that now because people recognise me. I sometimes think that if I wanted to lie, I could do that all the time. Marsha believes it's a beauty treatment and it gives her power to lie. I have never done it like Marsha does it as an exercise in evilness. It's called “green room perjury.” Mostly not to hurt peoples' feelings. Oh sure, I'll tell a lie – if I'm backstage after a play and I didn't like it and you know the people. Have you ever told a lie, just for the fun of it? I'd be like, “Let's go and get Putin's pornography searches.” Right? But maybe because I imagine them looking like the hackers in that film Hackers. If you were going to be a criminal, what type of criminal would you be? I was shocked like, “What are you doing?” It took me a second to realise what had happened. And I turned around and someone was picking up my bag and they were half caught stealing it. So I was waiting outside looking for a car and my bag was right behind me. One I was at LaGuardia Airport – and I did use this in the book, fictitiously. Have you ever been on the receiving end of a terrible scam? None of my work is that mean-spirited – I just want to understand people.
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I think I've been kind to people, pretty much. I don't think I regret anything in life apart from smoking cigarettes, that's the one thing I regret. I don't because… well, I don't think I have been evil. I sometimes wish I was even just a little bit more evil. When I see somebody and I think, ‘Oh god, suppose I had been born in that body. So you can get inside peoples' heads and see how crazy people react and that's something I'm always wanting to do.
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Whenever you read a novel by me, or a movie I did, you know that I'm going to take you to a world that you might not feel comfortable in in real life – but it's fiction. She's so terrible, but she thinks she's so right, so you start to root for her because you know that this is a cockeyed world that I've created, that you're in. Hopefully, in my book, it's because I'm using a character like that for humour. Why do you think people are so drawn to psychopathic, sociopathic and narcissistic characters? “The dark triad”, so to speak? Even though I think she is appalling and does terrible things. I think the people who have followed my work forever know that I enjoy writing about characters that would be the villain in anybody else's book, but I'm asking you to root for her. And she joins many women that I have written about before and who could hang out with her and not feel uncomfortable around her. Marsha is quite a sociopathic character…Ĭertainly she is. I just finished your book, it was very funny. If you lecture people, sometimes that backfires and makes them go in the other direction. That's what some of the “trigger warning” crowd doesn't do. If you can laugh, that's the first possible way to fix things and get other people to listen. Humour has got darker because the times have had so much tragedy. But the regular sense of American humour is becoming more like mine. I think the British sense of humour is similar to my sense of humour. I think the British can laugh at themselves, and then they laugh at each other. Do you think the British sense of humour differs from the American? I was there not so long ago, on vacation, with some friends. John Waters: Well, I just came back from eight cities in ten days. Here’s everything we spoke about over the phone. Marsha's bad, but it feels good to be bad with her. When she lies for the fun of it, you enjoy the havoc that follows. When she thieves from unsuspecting victims, you pray she doesn't get caught. Despite her abhorrence, you find yourself siding with her.
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It follows Marsha Sprinkle, an evil sociopath who lives to scam, lie and steal. Liarmouth is his first piece of written fiction. Waters, now 76, hasn't released a film since A Dirty Shame in 2004, although he's come out with multiple books.
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It's the same filthy, chaotic sense of humour that oozes from all of his films: The sideshow freaks that rob audience members in Multiple Maniacs (1970), Divine eating real dog shit in Pink Flamingos (1972), Beverly Sutphin going on a murderous rampage in Serial Mom(1994) and then cooking dinner for her kids at home. He takes you to an uncomfortable place and then pushes you even further in that direction. It's typical Waters: grotesque, shocking, disturbed. The first time I read this scene I gasped out loud, then read it again, and laughed out loud.